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For Shaw

“I loathe the term ‘suspension of disbelief’. It suggests that theatre is essentially untrue, which is terrible.It is not, no more than any other art.”

Director Deborah Warner’s work is perhaps most clearly marked by this utter integrity and honesty in her approach to theatre. Similarly, the actor Fiona Shaw, who has long collaborated with Warner, feels that “when I’m acting I’m not trying to fool

Over the course of several collaborations, director Deborah Warner and actor Fiona Shaw have established one of theatre's most creative partnerships. Emma Hogan talked to them about critics, violence and their latest production, Samuel Beckett's Happy Days

anyone. I am actually doing the real thing”.

This search for capturing the essence of a play – not trying to explain it or entangle it in academia, but instead to release it from the bounds of definition and convention – has led to Warner and Shaw producing consistently striking and original work, as in their current production of Samuel Beckett’s Happy Days. Having toured with the piece for the past year and a half, even performing it as the first modern play in any language at Epidaurus, they have now brought it to the legendary Abbey Theatre as part of the Dublin Theatre Festival. Yet it was a play that Warner “never had an ambition to direct”. It was also “the unhappiest and most distressing rehearsal period – almost impossible. For so many reasons”. (“And so many weeks!” adds Shaw).

Happy Days is, in many respects, an incredibly difficult play: Winnie, the main (perhaps only) character talks in fits and starts. Half-snatches of conversation or song float in while she remains buried up to her waist, then neck, in the ground. Yet in

their production Warner and Shaw have created such vitality of character that it seems as if the stage is full of people and movement, all through Shaw's solitary performance. Warner believes that as a play it is a “two-hander between Winnie and the audience. We did not find the play in rehearsal. What released it for me was the first preview at the National, the first outing with an audience”. Shaw’s Winnie is captivating and occasionally saddening. “She is, in a way, an actress,” says Shaw, who thought that the part “initially sounded like my mother. But then most characters I play are based on my mother; she is in that way my inadvertent guide. Yet you would be trapped if you made this play just about her.”

Instead, Warner and Shaw have found that the production changes and evolves with every performance, and every audience, according with Warner’s belief that “exciting theatre is really open, when audience members can enter it on multiple different levels and experience it very, very differently – and not be a grey or wishy-washy event because of that. But Beckett leaves the way